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| PDA | Feb 15 2012, 11:22 AM Post #21 |
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"With Aaron's run on the Wolverine-solo title coming to an end - not taking into account the other X-Men, etc. stuff he'll be writing..." Yes, I know he'll still be writing Wolverine. I was asking strictly about his work on the solo title, since he's leaving it. I did not like "Get Mystique" because he didn't actually "get" ("kill") Mystique in this arc, and didn't get her until much, much later in the rebooted series...after Hell and his demon-possessed fight with the X-Men (itself a repeat of a recent, better treatment in "Enemy of the State"). Also, I didn't like the way Logan was played for a fool throughout the entire story - gratuitous punishment, blowing himself up, Mystique barfing on his face, and he didn't "get Mystique." At the end when he's walking away, she's still got energy enough to bellow out his name...she's not shown as weak or barely alive. He didn't finish the job as the title implies. The only TPB I've gotten from Aaron's run is his first Weapon X - "Adamantium Men," and I got the #10 issue. I have to agree that some of the story lines are silly (hey, it's a comic book!), and some of Aaron's stuff just didn't play for me. I don't think Logan - a killing machine, and the best there is at what he does - would be so shaken up by killing a bunch of psychopaths, just because they happen to be offspring he never knew - and other than biology, had no more connection to than any other bunch of psychopaths he's killed. Aaron's run seems to be very popular with some, and it has certainly catapulted him to high ranks and more plum assignments in Marvel's writers' pool. There are some things I like that he tried to do as darkclaw11 points out, but I'm not entirely sure the execution of some of his ideas really came together sometimes. Hey, he's still better writing Logan than Daniel Way!! |
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| darkclaw11 | Feb 15 2012, 01:43 PM Post #22 |
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If we except that wolvie is only a killing machine then he is not different from punisher. Sure this is a part of who he is but also is the part that actually hates most of himself. Aaron succeeded to show wolverine not just as a killing machine but also as a normal person with his fears and his remorse. And that actually is that makes wolvie different fron Frank Castle. That he feels remorse for his actions. Especially if the persons that he killed were his children even if he didn't knew any of them. And Aaron captured the tremendous impact of such an action would have not only on wolvie but for any man. Aaron biggest success was that he humanized wolverine. We saw him in pain, in love, in remorse without obscuring his other charatteristics as badass and rebel. And we saw him in roles that we never see him before. As a leader and now after reading the last issue of wolverine (#301) without spoiling anything more, as a father too (not only as a father figure). Comparing his take on this last role with that we saw in Way's Daken is a shame how he potrayed him. p.s. Amiko is the real daughter of wolverine (NOT THOSE SHAMEFULL SPIN-OFFS DAKEN AND LAURA) |
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| PDA | Feb 15 2012, 03:11 PM Post #23 |
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I don't accept that Logan is "only" a killing machine - that certainly would make him a flat, one-dimensional character and no better than Punisher - Very true. It is Logan's drive to embrace his human side and keep his berserker in check that makes him such a fascinating character, much better than the usual "superhero" in comics. I just mean that not all of Aaron's concepts during this run, while a try for something new, didn't always hit the mark - like Logan's over-the-top reaction to killing a bunch of murdering psychopaths just because he was their biological father. I didn't buy it, didn't believe it, and really want to see him come to the hard realization that, if push comes to shove, and he's put in a position to put Daken out of his misery, he'll do it for the better good without hesitating. Don't like seeing Logan all maudlin over what could have been when the reality of what is - is trying to murder him! Aaron did try to point up Logan's humanity, one of the best aspects of the character - agreed! But as jrpbsp was saying...the stories he concocted to do it just didn't always work for me. That's all. |
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| darkclaw11 | Feb 15 2012, 04:19 PM Post #24 |
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Well agreed some of his plots were more silly than usual or a bit exaggerated, i didn't say that he was perfect but in conclusion i think he was a good writer for wolverine especially after the Way's and Loeb's garbage (God i don't know guys if you read his wolverine in avengers sanction #3, it was atrocius and the worst part is that he has another issue). Now as for the new writer Cullen Bunn, i read his wolverine in his fearless stuff where he has wolvie fighting crossbones and personally i found it mediocre. Then i read two interviews that gave for newsarama abd CBR and i didn't jump from the enthusiasm either. If anyone is interested the links are below: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/wolverine-cullen-bunn-interview-120214.html http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36910 What are you thinking about his projects? |
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| PDA | Feb 15 2012, 05:17 PM Post #25 |
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Thank you for the links, darkclaw11. I was interested in what this new writer has to say...it seems what he has to say involves lots of blood and guts. I don't mind action, but I do hope there's some good character moments and quiet introspection, as well, for balance. Can't say I was very enthusiastic about his chosen artist, either. I never read the Loeb stuff, but from several comments on this board and on DiG's Wolverine Files chronology, it was pretty awful. Way was supposed to be so great on Deadpool. To me, Deadpool's a pretty flat, one-note joke. Way's stuff on Wolverine was simply garbage. Wolverine is so much more, and Way just dumped on him...then saddled him with Daken! At least Daken's supposed to "die" soon in his own comic - good riddance! |
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| darkclaw11 | Feb 15 2012, 06:11 PM Post #26 |
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You are welcome. This was exactly what i was thinking when i read the interview. I mean after the awfull experience with Huston's "the best there is" series (actually it was the worst wolverine"s run in history) with all this cheap blood bath crap i don't understand how another writer thinks that bloodshed stories is the best thing to do for the wolverine solo comic book. Wolverine is one of the greatest comic book characters and with one of the richest history and every writer that come to write him he must treat him with respect. And the worst part that i noticed it was a piece of monologue (that will be include in the first issue of his run) at the interview that he gave at Newsarama. I mean really those words came from wolvie's mouth or from a ten years old. I really hope to be proved wrong but my expectations are pretty low. Cullen Bunn has a twitter account, i tried to contact him for having some additional information but he didn't respond |
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| PDA | Feb 16 2012, 12:04 PM Post #27 |
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Someone who wrote a review on Amazon for one of the first 3 TPBs of X-Force complained that Wolverine has become little more than a "pincushion" for many writers at Marvel. They take his "healing factor" for granted, and just use it as an excuse for gratuitous, shock-shlock violence, gore and abuse, both from his opponents, as well as self-inflicted punishment. [There's still that awful, stupid story where Punisher rips off Logan's face, blasts him in the crotch, and then runs a steamroller over him! Jeez!! @@] The reviewer also made a great point by saying that these writers who use Wolverine's healing factor in such a way are lazy. This kind of reliance on the healing factor by writers to such an extent all the time ultimately cheapens the character. Yeah, lazy writing.... As for this new guy, time will tell, and Logan's survived worse handling. Let's hope for something enjoyable. BTW, regarding Daken...I would really love for it to be shown that Logan was never his father; that Daken's father was Romulus all along. Ain't gonna happen, though! |
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| Logerine | Feb 16 2012, 06:27 PM Post #28 |
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At least he firmed up that Thomas Logan is Wolverine's biological father. |
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| Templedog | Feb 17 2012, 07:06 PM Post #29 |
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Well I have been complaining for years that it seems like writers just seem to see Logan as a "hack and slash" kind of guy. I guess for a reader like myself that gets really boring really quickly. Logan is so very much more and always has been. He is an intelligent character who in the old classic Claremont period did not always resort to the bloody slash slash method everytime in every scene in every comic. If i recall correctly while Logan did flash the claws frequently he rarely used them to truly deadly effect. Alot of time it seemed he used his claws to wound or just intimidate. It only seemed when Logan was really pissed off or had no choice would he really slip into hack and slash mode. I mean this is how we get everyone's favorite sewer scene with Wolvie. In addition I like the old Woverine with a less powerful healing factor, because when you actually saw Logan get hurt it was more suspenseful and interesting. Edited by Templedog, Feb 26 2012, 07:36 PM.
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| PDA | Feb 24 2012, 01:37 PM Post #30 |
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Agreed, Templedog! I was just reading the Kitty Pryde/Wolverine 6-parter, and for the majority of a whole issue, Wolverine's recovering from a katana-through-the-body injury, and even admits that he's feeling "tender" while he recuperates. I think reliance on the "instant" healing factor, and constant, gory use of the claws by lazy writers has been what has turned many comics readers away from Wolverine; they find him boring when he's portrayed like that. Not to mention what many complain as Wolverine's over-saturation in so many comics. |
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