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| PDA | Sep 1 2010, 11:29 AM Post #1 |
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Along with Barry Windsor-Smith's "Weapon X" and the Claremont/Miller 4-part mini-series, Greg Rucka's "The Brotherhood" was among the first Wolverine titles I picked up. I liked Greg Rucka's story, but didn't like Darick's art at first. His art has since grown on me as I've seen more of it. I've often wondered why he wasn't used for the second Rucka arc, "Coyote Crossing;" then was reinstated for the final arc, "Return of the Native." Anyone remember the backstory on this from 7 years ago? Or was the artist just pulled away on another project...or just didn't deliver the art fast enough? Was there some controversy with how Marvel wanted Wolverine presented, and there were too many different "looks" floating around for the character at that time (ie: tall, good-looking "Jackman-style" as opposed to the more traditional, short, scrappy, hardened look)? I was able to get "The Brotherhood" and "Return of the Native" in TPB pretty cheaply, but for some reason, "Coyote Crossing" has always been very pricey, even secondhand. What makes this particular TPB so expensive? Any speculation on this? Was there some problem with the printing...not as many copies available...just soooo good that no one gets rid of their copy? I also liked Rucka's FBI agent Cassie Lathrop, and wish she'd be brought back, but suppose hardly any chance of that unless Rucka's invited back to the party. How do you long-time readers feel about Rucka's stint on the title? He was the beginning writer on Wolverine's renumbered series. Now that the series is being renumbered **again** how do you folks feel about Aaron's work vs. Rucka's? Would anyone like to see Rucka again? I don't mean to say that I think he's among the best ever to write Wolverine -no -, but Rucka certainly seemed to have a better sense of the character than many others who have gotten their paws on him in the interim! Any thoughts? |
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| flightmarco | Sep 2 2010, 08:30 PM Post #2 |
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i started collecting wolverine comic books at the start of rucka's run but then i stopped reading comic books at around issue 9..i really enjoyed his run though, i remember reading interviews about how as long as he's the writer..we wouldn't see wolverine in a costume and fighting super villains..i guess he kind of stayed true to that. as for the art, the first 2 arcs had very different looking wolverines.. brotherhood had a neanderthal for wolverine.. cayote crossing had a long haired sexy guy. the story with nightcrawler also seemed to be a transition in the different wolverine looks.. since i stopped collecting after number 9, i'm still trying to backtrack number 10, i already have the very weird issue "dream" and 2 issues from the native.. Edited by flightmarco, Sep 2 2010, 09:37 PM.
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| Cat | Sep 3 2010, 01:16 AM Post #3 |
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I've only read parts of the issues (they've always been a bit outside my price range), but I did find the stories interesting. This wasn't superhero Wolverine, this was ex-spy wolverine, which I do enjoy. I admit I did like the FBI agent, and I want more of the story on Native. She kinda of appears, then disappears and is never referenced again and was never referenced before. I admit, I'd kinda like a Weapon X origins series, where they look back at the history of the inviduals involved in the program. Know they've already done it for Wolverine and Sabretooth, but I'd like to see it for Mastadon, Wraith, silver fox, Maverick and Native. It would be nice to get some background on these guys. |
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| flightmarco | Sep 3 2010, 09:30 AM Post #4 |
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i really hope that melita wouldn't end up like the FBI agent after aaron leaves the wolverine titles.. i guess the one good thing i liked about the dark wolverine book was that melita made an appearance there..at least other writers acknowledge her current status as wolverine's girlfriend.. |
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| PDA | Sep 4 2010, 10:02 AM Post #5 |
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The single issue following "The Brotherhood," is called "So, This Priest Walks Into a Bar," and features a philosophical discussion between Logan and Kurt after Logan has slaughtered numerous sinister cult baddies. It is among my favorites. While I'm not sure I followed every reference to other plotlines during "The Dream," a single issue which fits between "Coyote Crossing" and "Return of the Native," it does reveal just how crazy Logan's dreams can be...ending with betrayal and captivity. In the final panel, he either denies to Cassie that he even had a dream...or, he simply doesn't remember this particular dream that's just shared with the reader. |
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| jrpbsp | Sep 16 2010, 10:02 AM Post #6 |
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Let's see, from my perspective, Rucka was okay but honestly not at the top of my list. His stuff had its moments, and I will go into that in a bit, but overall it never made me a huge fan. Part of that was the renumbering. I am not a fan of relaunches especially so close to a major milestone so that did poison the run a bit from the start. For the record, not a fan of doing it again here either but this one, at least, makes more sense due to the title change on the ongoing. Rucka had a decent enough handle on Wolverine but his stories seemed to be trying to hard but giving us nothing new. You had Brotherhood which was, once again, a revenge story when a woman in Logan's life was killed. And putting Wolverine against normal people is never going to to have much of a thrill to it. He followed with Coyote Crossing, which was really more of the same thing. Mostly an excuse to bring Cassie in closer to the fray. And that is another problem. Just like the current girlfriend, this was another woman that was essentially a Mary Jane brought in his to give the author an emotional hold on the character. Then he went with Return of the Native, which was too far in the other direction. Almost like he over compensated by throwing Sabretooth, Weapon X and a new (and previously unseen Weapon X throwback) into one story. He is still trying to get the emotional hold going though and I never got why Wolverine fell for the Native so fast. All and all it was a decent run but nothing that made me care enough to reread it or have it really stick with me. I didn't hate it either, it was just pretty much another Wolverine run. As to why the second volume is so much more expensive then the others. That usually happens because it doesn't sell well. They never put out too many in an initial run of a graphic novel but they make more if the demand is there. If not, it becomes a lot harder to find. |
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| PDA | Sep 16 2010, 11:42 AM Post #7 |
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Thanks, jrpbsp, for your detailed comments and insight. As Rucka's was among the first Wolverine work I had read, I didn't have the whole mass of Wolverine stories to compare it to, and so I enjoyed them just as simple stories. As you've observed, none of the characters Rucka introduced have had any effect on Logan's overall story, and his run has pretty much become forgotten. It is interesting, though, because Rucka is a well-respected sci-fi novelist and has done well with other graphic novels, that his run on Wolverine doesn't seem to have been "better." Funny, with "The Brotherhood" TPB (containing 6 issues) being available so cheaply, and "The Return of the Native," TPB (8 issues) not as much so, but still affordable, while "Coyote Crossing" TPB containing only 5 issues is the priciest of the three. Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense if the series didn't sell well, there wouldn't be as many on the market. |
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| jrpbsp | Sep 16 2010, 12:03 PM Post #8 |
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No problem. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes in runs and it all comes down to personal opinion. I have a major soft spot for Wolverine and Jubilee because of Uncanny X-men 251-253. At the time I was old enough to read mostly novels and be out of the comic book thing (I got into actually collecting in college). But I did still check out spinner racks, now and then and buy things that looked interesting. The cover, with Wolverine crucified, got my attention and the story sold it. I didn't even know who Jubilee was but those comics cemented my view of her together with Logan and that persists to this day. It really can be all about timing and what you read when. |
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| PDA | Sep 16 2010, 02:40 PM Post #9 |
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That's true...it's all about timing, the frame of mind you're in, and a number of other intangibles when you encounter something new. At some other time or set of circumstances, you could be uninterested...meh. BUT, if you see the same thing under just the right mindset, it could become your new obsession!!!!! Wolverine...Wolverine...Wolverine.... |
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| sniktsnakt | Sep 16 2010, 06:05 PM Post #10 |
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Even though I came into reading Wolverine later (I'm a youngin' compared to a fair few of you folks, from what I gather, and I didn't start reading them until I was older even then), I actually started reading at the beginning. I fell in love with the Wolverine from the 80s and around BWS's Weapon X series and the original Japan series, and have held on since then because of that era. I don't know why, but I felt a very clear shift between the second version and the third one. It wasn't that the third one was bad, it just didn't feel as . . . Wolverine-ish, to me. I don't know if that's just because of the change of the character or the change of writers, but I often go back and reread the second version comics, but I don't think I've reread the third version at all, except for a few pick-and-choose issues. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. But I seriously wonder if the shift was because of his growing popularity from the movies . . . . and I don't particularly like how it's been changing. It just . . . has stopped feeling new, if that makes sense. Here's for hoping for a good new ongoing series. <fingers crossed> Oh, and jrpbsp . . . totally agree with you on the Jubilee and Wolverine thing. Lots of people who picked up comics in the 90s don't really like Jubes, but I've been sold on her character ever since that entrance in Australia. Some things just stick with you so that no matter what they do to the character after, those moments shine in your memory. Love it. Edited by sniktsnakt, Sep 16 2010, 06:07 PM.
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