Alpha Flight .... dead?!

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Alpha Flight .... dead?!; wrf?!
Topic Started: Oct 2 2009, 10:50 PM (1,581 Views)
Raja	Oct 2 2009, 10:50 PM Post #1
New X-Man Posts: 100 Group: Members Member #92 Joined: September 22, 2009	I heard about Alpha Flight being killed off en masse. Can anyone tell me what happened?



DF_canucklefan	Oct 2 2009, 10:57 PM Post #2
Young X-Man Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #88 Joined: September 5, 2009	It happened in New Avengers #16. They were killed by The Collective who was in fact Michael Pointer with the powers of many mutants who lost their powers after M-Day and the Collective had the personality of Xorn. Edit: Michael Pointer aka Weapon Omega from dark X-Men. Edited by DF_canucklefan, Oct 2 2009, 10:58 PM.



Raja	Oct 2 2009, 11:13 PM Post #3
New X-Man Posts: 100 Group: Members Member #92 Joined: September 22, 2009	DF_canucklefan Oct 2 2009, 10:57 PM It happened in New Avengers #16. They were killed by The Collective who was in fact Michael Pointer with the powers of many mutants who lost their powers after M-Day and the Collective had the personality of Xorn. Edit: Michael Pointer aka Weapon Omega from dark X-Men. Ah yes, that explains everything, thank you. Why do I have the feeling that whole scenario was full of holes? ....Why would Marvel kill off most of the team? (And Wild Child elsewhere?) Which characters are left?



Ace	Oct 2 2009, 11:19 PM Post #4
Samurai Posts: 1,092 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: March 10, 2009	Wild Child wasn't a part of Alpha Flight at that point. There were no real holes, but they were killed off as cannon fodder. It was a death blow to show that the villain was a large threat.



jrpbsp	Oct 2 2009, 11:40 PM Post #5
Undisputed Ruler of Comicdom Posts: 3,829 Group: Global Moderators Member #62 Joined: April 2, 2009	We do know at least one survived, Sasquatch was shown after and I believe Snowbird as well. All we really saw was them on the ground but it was confirmed as dead after.



Raja	Oct 3 2009, 12:13 AM Post #6
New X-Man Posts: 100 Group: Members Member #92 Joined: September 22, 2009	Ace Oct 2 2009, 11:19 PM Wild Child wasn't a part of Alpha Flight at that point. There were no real holes, but they were killed off as cannon fodder. It was a death blow to show that the villain was a large threat. "A large threat" by killing characters that don't matter much to Marvel at present. How can anyone suspend disbelief as a reader if this is all that ever happens? I'm glad Sasquatch and Snowbird made it. Who is this new Weapon Omega exactly? Harboring the power of every known de-powered mutant. Only keeping the ones powered that matter enough to have some element of potential for use. I wish I was not so cynical. There was a time I wasn't!



Ace	Oct 3 2009, 12:29 AM Post #7
Samurai Posts: 1,092 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: March 10, 2009	Well I assume the logic is that they wanted him to kill a superteam to make it look like a threat only the Avengers could handle. They're not going to kill off any of the A-list ones, because then comics stop selling. You can kill off a team like Alpha Flight because they're well-known enough, yet not in use (at least at that moment). As for depowering the mutants, there was a reason. There were so many to the point that mutants were becoming the dominant species on Earth. When everyone in the world is becoming superpowered, it defeats the purpose. Plus, how can mutants be an oppressed minority if they're a beloved majority? Writers were starting to use mutation as a crutch. "Alright, I just wrote this new character". "Ok, how he get his powers?". "Doesn't matter, lets be lazy and just say he's a mutant". Plus, there were so many similar mutants that it was starting to become redundant. What does it matter if Cyclops can shoot lasers from his eyes if 18 other known mutants can shoot'em from their hands, chest, head, mouth, etc? On top of all that, its been used to great effect. When it happened I never imagined it would propel the X-Men, Avengers, and overall brand for the next 4 years (and counting). Yet they keep coming up with new ways to approach the situation and pull something new out of the concept of an extreme mutant minority and mass depowering.



Raja	Oct 3 2009, 02:11 AM Post #8
New X-Man Posts: 100 Group: Members Member #92 Joined: September 22, 2009	Ace Oct 3 2009, 12:29 AM Well I assume the logic is that they wanted him to kill a superteam to make it look like a threat only the Avengers could handle. They're not going to kill off any of the A-list ones, because then comics stop selling. You can kill off a team like Alpha Flight because they're well-known enough, yet not in use (at least at that moment). As for depowering the mutants, there was a reason. There were so many to the point that mutants were becoming the dominant species on Earth. When everyone in the world is becoming superpowered, it defeats the purpose. Plus, how can mutants be an oppressed minority if they're a beloved majority? Writers were starting to use mutation as a crutch. "Alright, I just wrote this new character". "Ok, how he get his powers?". "Doesn't matter, lets be lazy and just say he's a mutant". Plus, there were so many similar mutants that it was starting to become redundant. What does it matter if Cyclops can shoot lasers from his eyes if 18 other known mutants can shoot'em from their hands, chest, head, mouth, etc? On top of all that, its been used to great effect. When it happened I never imagined it would propel the X-Men, Avengers, and overall brand for the next 4 years (and counting). Yet they keep coming up with new ways to approach the situation and pull something new out of the concept of an extreme mutant minority and mass depowering. I want to be open-minded and embrace this, but I am still and probably perpetually angry and upset and seeing things through clouded lenses. I hate when people, when writers determine something useless or reduntant when it doesn't have to be.



Gorvar	Oct 3 2009, 09:09 AM Post #9
Self claimed fanfic critic. Posts: 4,069 Group: Members Member #38 Joined: February 8, 2009	I have the urge to cry out imma firing my lazaaaaah!!!



DF_canucklefan	Oct 3 2009, 09:25 AM Post #10
Young X-Man Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #88 Joined: September 5, 2009	Ace Oct 3 2009, 12:29 AM As for depowering the mutants, there was a reason. There were so many to the point that mutants were becoming the dominant species on Earth. When everyone in the world is becoming superpowered, it defeats the purpose. Plus, how can mutants be an oppressed minority if they're a beloved majority? That's why I believe Marvel staff are anti-mutant, something like the people shown in X-Men pages.



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