| Wolverine: Origins #39 *Spoilers* | |
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| jrpbsp | Aug 29 2009, 12:08 PM Post #31 |
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Well considering for the most part, Feral and Thornn's powers were based on their appearance, cats have heightened speed, reflexes, better balance, claws etc that was a non-explanation. You can't really make them look like a mutant without repowering them but if they had been repowered Feral would not have gone down like that. Etc Etc. Basically Loeb screwed up, no one caught it and then we people started screaming foul (including a lot of Feral fans that did not want to see her going out that way) something got made up. It was not, that I remember, ever added to a comic. Just posted on the web. Which is still better then what DC did but hey at least they were honest about it which earns them points in my book. |
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| Ace | Aug 29 2009, 06:34 PM Post #32 |
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Are you sure it never happened in the book? I seem to recall it. If I remember correctly when first we see Feral and/or Thornn in the arc one or both of them are human. And then later on they appear re-mutated. As for DC's honesty, well, yeah, they were honest. But they were being honest about being negligent. It wasn't a mistake they made that they were apologizing for. It was them saying "We didn't like the continuity. So we ignored it. And we're not going to apologize for that". As much of continuity fan as I am, I also know that there are times when one cannot be so strictly bound to prior events. But I consider myself a master of retcons. I can easily (and generally hypothetically) retcon just about anything to fit into anything, in most cases with little effort. So I know just how easy it would have been to explain away his reacquired humanity without having to go into a whole big thing about it. It is quite literally as simple as one line of dialogue, so it deeply disappoints me when such things are ignored. |
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| jrpbsp | Aug 29 2009, 09:47 PM Post #33 |
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I'd have to look again to be positive but pretty sure they both started as mutants in appearance at least which raised a lot of people's red flags. I like continuity too but if someone messed up I would rather they come out and admit it then make up some excuse that was supposedly the plan. If Loeb said 'Oops missed that but here is the explanation' I wouldn't have minded. But he tried to play it off like that was the idea all along and I don't agree with that. |
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| Ize19 | Aug 30 2009, 02:00 AM Post #34 |
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Nope. When we first see them in Evolution, they are standing next to Sasquatch and Wolfsbane, at the end of a book where it was explained to Wolverine that he is part of a lupine offshoot of humanity. These characters were clearly placed there to emphasize that he's not the only one, but only one of them was actually lupine. When this was pointed out, Loeb got upset that people didn't give him the benefit of the doubt, and then proved those people right by saying "Romulus remutated them, but only in appearance because they can't actually have their powers back, cause that would ruin X-Men: Endangered Species and X-Men: Messiah Complex, and their role is to die/get injured/carry away the injured." Yeah, we gotcha Loeb, that's EXACTLY what you had planned. No. What happened was, he didn't know they were depowered (or that they weren't Lupine,) he put them in the book to make a point, people called him on it, the X-Men Editors wouldn't allow him to say that they had been repowered, so he gave them a half-baked excuse to look like that, and, since they had no powers, didn't allow them to do anything. He didn't plan it, it was just his excuse for messing things up. |
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| Ace | Aug 30 2009, 07:06 AM Post #35 |
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Ah, thanks for the explanation, fellas. Now that you mention it I vaguely remember being irritated at suddenly remutated characters with little to no explanation. And I also believe I remember being appeased. Perhaps that's how it went down for me, and I wouldn't be surprised, as continuity and the consistent portrayal of who and who isn't a mutant was (and I suppose is) important to me. Though I have oh-so many comic quibbles that it's hard to keep track of them all over the years. :p
Ah yes, now that would absolutely annoy me as well. |
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| Raja | Sep 23 2009, 03:44 AM Post #36 |
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I'd have no complaints if Wild Child was Romulus' son, and if the character was handled correctly, a foil and nemesis for Daken. He did torture Daken, too, after all. He also didn't have the fear of Romulus that even Sabretooth had. Romulus trusted Kyle with a lot, too. If they'd ressurect him or somehow made him survive his plunge to death, and write him well, invested the time to do it, the character could be redeemed in many people's minds. Somehow though, I think Wild Child and any possible connections just aren't going to happen. What worked for Thor, and probably Sabretooth if my hunch is correct, isn't applicable here either. Doing away with a "dumb" character in an empty death and no repricussion, what becomes the point? They should kept kept Wild Child around for female fans and maybe marketed (limted) that way. A lot of us like him, and maybe I just have a thing for metrosexual bondage elves (uh oh!), I didn't have a problem with his appearance at all. It was arresting; beautiful and hideous at the same time, capturing both aspects of the character at once. It's the portrayal that was atrocious to me. I hear that Feral fans somehow got a break and she's back to life? I wish Kyle had a fanbase they'd consider like that. I'm upset and mad as hell, and it makes not one bit of difference. Wild Child as an adversary for Daken! Yes!! Edited by Raja, Sep 23 2009, 04:50 AM.
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| jrpbsp | Sep 23 2009, 12:20 PM Post #37 |
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Feral is not back alive as far as I am aware of. I have not seen her in anything since she was killed. I already did a bit of a rant on the deaths in Origins (Wild child and Omega Red) so I won't retread on that. I was late in reading Alpha Flight so my first Wild Child exposure was X-Factor but he is an interesting character that deserved better. I am sure he will be back at some point, healing factors can cover a lot of supposed deaths especially since he was not restrained when he was tossed in. So don't lose heart, nothing in Marvel is forever, especially death. |
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| Raja | Sep 23 2009, 10:17 PM Post #38 |
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I thought she was. That's another problem. Years have gone by since Feral has been seen, and even Sabretooth. So... Not hopeful for Wild Child. Even less hopeful after a comment he made at a Con about another character, Cyber, being obscure and nobody caring about him. Now that character is dead. With WC, Daniel Way probably has dozens or more fans tell him how good it is that the "Sabretooth Junior" has been killed and collecting thanks for it, people whose exposure to the character is limited to X-Factor and Weapon X (Edit: And AoA. Can't forget AoA.). For every WC fan, there would be a dozen more who thanked him, who knew very little beyond the exposure they had. Even the writers think this way and don't seem to know much about the character. As a fan for 20 or so years, I've already lost heart. Death may not be forever in comics, but the character has to matter. Jeph Loeb was in the process of working on that. WC was not respected (he was respected more before X-Factor and Weapon X....) and his fans were not respected either. There's talk of his healing factor not being as strong as Sabretooth or not even having a healing factor at all, when it's not true and more complicated than that. To Daniel Way, it was probably a dumb character he thought no one cared about, and probably to Marvel too. .... (I wish Wild Child did matter enough to be spared death. Not to the extent of Wolverine and Sabretooth, but more than the character was allowed to slip. Jeph Loeb was so close...) Edited by Raja, Sep 23 2009, 10:52 PM.
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| jrpbsp | Sep 24 2009, 12:02 PM Post #39 |
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Well you referenced Cyber but keep in mind he died very definitely on panel around Wolverine 98 and had very little exposure before that and they still brought him back for a while. Though Way basically spent the effort to bring him back just to kill him again but well that's Way for you. Wild Child has been in Limbo a bunch and he always comes back. In this case his death is really just Limbo since you can easily say he survived his bath and it just took him months to heal. As to whether he would be used well in that time? Who knows... With lower tier characters they do tend to get jerked around an awful lot. |
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