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| Topic Started: May 25 2009, 02:23 PM (955 Views) | |
| Technarch | May 25 2009, 02:23 PM Post #1 |
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The History of World War II, pg 232: On August 6, 1945, the Unites States sent the Enola Gay aircraft to Japan to drop the Little Boy nuclear bomb at 08:15 Hiroshima time. It took fifty-seven seconds to fall from the aircraft and detonate about six hundred meters (1,900 ft) above Hiroshima. Due to crosswind, it missed the aiming point, the Aioi Bridge, by almost eight hundred feet and detonated directly over Shima Surgical Clinic. It created a blast equivalent to about 13 kilotons of TNT. The radius of total destruction was about one mile (1.6 km), with resulting fires across 4.4 square miles. Americans estimated that 4.7 square miles (12.1 km²) of the city were destroyed. Japanese officials determined that 69% of Hiroshima's buildings were destroyed and another 6–7% damaged. 70,000–80,000 people, or some 30% of the population of Hiroshima were killed immediately, and another 70,000 injured. Over 90% of the doctors and nurses in Hiroshima were killed or injured. Estimates of total deaths by the end of 1945 from burns and radiation and related disease, aggravated by lack of medical resources, range from 90,000 to 140,000. Up to 200,000 had died by 1950, due to cancer and long-term effects. From 1950 to 1990, roughly 9% of the cancer and leukemia deaths among bomb survivors was due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 89 leukemia and 339 solid cancers. At least eleven known prisoners of war died from the bombing. There was also a mutant named Logan, gifted with bone claws and an incredible healing factor, who happened to be in the blast radius on the same day and at the same time the bomb was dropped. Luckily he managed to survive the blast. Everyone else that died? They were just details. I've put up with a lot in comics, but this... |
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| Gorvar | May 25 2009, 02:34 PM Post #2 |
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The healing factor does help  But yeh of course it makes little sense Logan was there the exact same day, but i'll let it slide due to drama and a well written series. |
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| Brian Knippenberg | May 25 2009, 02:39 PM Post #3 |
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Could you elaborate a little more on the point you're trying to make? By picking up a history book, one can learn of the details of this horrible, horrible incident. I'm trying to figure out if you are offended more by the fact that this particular story was framed against the backdrop of the Hiroshima bombing or the fact that Logan had survived it and the story glosses over those who did not? |
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| Gabriel Zero | May 25 2009, 03:11 PM Post #4 |
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I sort of feel the same way about Logan also being in a concentration camp. He was called Prisoner Zero and he drove a Nazi named Major Bauman to commit suicide. This happened in issue #32 and it was a good story. However when you put the pieces together and realize Logan has been at all these horrifying events in the world, you start to realize these writers really aren't that creative any more. Logan is over one hundred years old and you really can't think of a more impressionable story? I mean there has to be some lesser know events in history besides pushing Logan into a concentration camp or the dropping a bomb on him in Hiroshima. I agree that it's kind of sad that they use that to tell a Wolverine story, when it really isn't necessary and it really doesn't help the character at all. It honestly doesn't serve any purpose. Someone who has suffered being captured / killing Nazi war criminals in 1942. Then captured and blown up in Hiroshima in 1945 by coincidence?  That is a little hard to swallow. 
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| Gorvar | May 26 2009, 01:40 AM Post #5 |
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Well to be honest, a lot of the allied forces who saw action in Europe went on to fight the Japanese in the pacific shortly after V-day in Europe. |
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| Cat | May 26 2009, 02:41 AM Post #6 |
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Bout to say, War in Europe finished in 8th May 1945, War with Japan finished August 15th. That's plenty of time to get to Japan, if he wasn't there already. As for the concentration camp story, I love that as it shows Wolverine fighting with his head, not his fists and is a majorly cool story. Hiroshima, I admit was not an especially impressive story, as it changed nothing (didn't even give us a new Villain, which would have been interesting). |
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| Gorvar | May 26 2009, 02:49 AM Post #7 |
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Think Gabe wnated to say it's a bit weird two bad things happend to Logan in the entire war. Being captured in a concentration camp first, then getting a nule thrown at him a few years later. |
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| Gabriel Zero | May 26 2009, 05:24 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah. I suppose two years is enough time to get to Japan. But wasn't he in Normandy and then later in France in 1944 or did that change when he got his memories back? However I was always under the impression that most soldiers remained stationed at one location for more then one year. If Logan was part of 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion, then why did he only stay with them for a single year? I'm not sure how service time works and if that is every against standard protocol. I know this is just a comic book, but as a Wolverine completest who feels compelled to collect all of Logan's appearances, I feel compelled to "make sense" of the complicated history by coming up with theories of my own. And despite working against the fact that my knowledge of WWII is very limited, I still curious about all of this. It feels like there is a big piece of the puzzle missing, I think it would serve better if this was all connected somehow. Is it unheard of for a single soldier to bounce around to several countries in a little over three years? And is it possible for Logan to only spend less then a year in a Nazi death camp? I mean issue #32 made it look like Logan spent more then a year in that camp right? These little things are what I am curious about. I know everyone dislikes Origins but if I had to guess, perhaps Romulus manipulated the events that got Logan sent to the death camp in Poland. Then maybe he also pushed for Logan to get captured in Hiroshima, knowing that he would get nuked and possibly killed. Maybe it was a test to see if Logan was worthy of still being his weapon. I have a theory that Logan was very resistant to Romulus' plans and despite doing his dirty work, Logan was still able to do good and to break free of Romulus' agenda more then a few times. And as a result he was punished and manipulated into suffering the two most traumatic events that came out of WW2. Again this is just something I thought sounded cool and plausible. |
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| Cat | May 27 2009, 01:34 AM Post #9 |
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Possible we should view Logan as an intelligence officer, which would probably result in him moving around a lot more than a normal soldier. He could have joined the parachute regiment for D-Day, to make use of the knowledge he gained from fighting with the resistance, and later have been sent to Japan, which he was already familiar with. |
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| Ace | May 27 2009, 01:55 AM Post #10 |
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I think we can chalk up his erratic service life to string pulling. Even in those days he was always working for someone. And not necessarily Romulus, nor does it have to be a scheme on anyone's part. Wolverine is a unique agent, someone suited for a variety of tasks. He also did a lot of freelance work throughout his lifetime. I think the best way to put it is that Logan is not an ordinary soldier. He was shuffled from place to place for specific purposes. Sometimes he was sidetracked, but even that could have been part of the plan. Wolverine is like a lot of fictional super-soldiers. Captain America was moved all over the map as well, if I recall. One fine example would be his time in the concentration camp. He was clearly placed there for the specific purpose he completed, to take down that particular camp from the inside. That is no small feat. The amount of military intelligence, string pulling, and overall planning involved would be monumental in scope. That sort of thing is a very deliberate and specific mission. ... As for Hiroshima specifically, well, I've always liked the idea of Wolverine being involved in large events throughout history. Preferably indirectly such as when the bomb dropped. It gives the character a worldly feel that we all know he has. What's neat about that particular instance is that unlike so much of his life there's no way that would have been planned. You don't send your best operative, even one with a healing factor to the site of a nuclear attack for the purpose of getting hit by a bomb. So for those out there who feel his life may be a bit too puppet-like, that he's nothing more than a tool to be used by various individuals and groups; for those out there who don't care for that, then this is the sort of storyline that should please you. Clear cut instances of him not being controlled sprinkled throughout his life. Just Logan in the wrong place, at the wrong time. |
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