| Wolverine (1988) First Ongoing; Volume Two to some, Volume One to others | |
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| Topic Started: May 23 2009, 08:04 AM (2,108 Views) | |
| Gabriel Zero | May 23 2009, 08:04 AM Post #1 |
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Below is a list of the first 1988 Wolverine ongoing series. Not to be confused with the 2003 Ongoing which is going on right now. This series ended at #189 around 2003 and rebooted itself at issue #1 again. The reasons are pretty much unknown, except we can suspect they did it as a opening for new collectors to become interested in the series again. Though there is a lot of confusion as to whether this series is called volume two or volume one. Because some collectors refer to the 1982 four issue mini series as volume one. 
Special thanks to ComicBookDB.com and Wolverine Realm for the list and links. 
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| Gabriel Zero | May 23 2009, 11:25 AM Post #2 |
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 I was wondering how many fans own all of the single issues above? Or maybe some of you read the above mentioned in a trade paper back? I know a great deal of these comics have already been collected in a variety of Graphic Novels. You can find the first half of the 1988 series in the Wolverine Essentials, from what I heard you can find them almost anywhere that sells graphic novels.
I've been reading this 1988 series for a long time, I've still haven't read every single issue though. Recently I just discovered that I am allowed to order single issues from my comic book dealer. So I am patiently waiting for the order to go through to catch up on Frank Tieri's run on the comic. Most people don't like what Larry Hama did with the book, but I do think he added extra dimensions to the character. It's because of him that Logan has bone claws underneath the adamantium right? I personally despised Val Semeiks' artistic talent, he couldn't draw a normal or feral Wolverine, even as a kid I was depressed spending my lunch money on the issues he drew Logan in. My favorite artist will always be Adam Kubert's version of Wolverine will always be the Wolverine I imagine when I think of the character. One thing this series was famous for was putting Logan through as much emotional and physical damage as possible. I'm not just talking about the way they supped up his healing factor and then took the poor guy through the meat grinder either. But even in the early issues all of his love interests were either killed off or never seen again. I don't know whether to be thankful or resent that staple that has become part of Wolverine's character. The other thing we got was the main focus shifted toward Logan embracing his feral side for a long time. So many comic fans now reference this style of Logan and see him in this one dimension. Which is kind of sad compared to those of us who know better. Logan should always be portrayed as someone who resents the beast, and it only resurfaces when he is beyond his tolerance or threshold. Anyway I hope I've said enough to jump start this conversation. I worked hard on putting up as much references as possible, so please let me know what you think of the first Wolverine ongoing series.  ~Gabe |
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| PDA | May 23 2009, 11:33 AM Post #3 |
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Tremendous work here, and a great resource.... |
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| PDA | May 23 2009, 12:58 PM Post #4 |
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I've just been reading post#2 of this thread, and at 189 issues, that's a lot of stories, authors, artists, and reading to consider in order to respond to your questions. I've only collected a few of these in TPBs, am only just now reading them, and so, can only comment on the few I have. With that said, this is all I have at the moment: #s 31-34 (I enjoyed this Thunderbolt drug story of the Yakuza in Madripoor. Fun action and good bad guys. I could see this being turned into a plain, old, rolicking summer action flick.) # 34 (Very good story of Logan in Canada--love the opening with him spear-fishing naked--and an older Mountie's flashback memory of him in the wilds--confusing him with the legendary Hunter in Darkness-- and also in WWII.) #s 41-42 (Don't really care for the whole creepy concept of blow 'em up cyber doll Elsie Dee--get it? LCD?--and Albert, the Franken-Logan, nor the whole business with Sabertooth in the sewers...or that Sabertooth claims he's Logan's father. Although, you do get a flashback bit about Silver Fox.) #s 48-50 (This Dreams of Gore series is supposed to be one of the more important/more irritating to long time readers of this 1988 run I've been given to understand, because of the whole issue of the memory implants. There are some shocking and heartbreaking revelations presented through this story, but is anything "real?" I don't think I can call it a "favorite," but recognize it as important in the overall scheme of things.) #s 119-122 (I've just received a TPB of "Not Dead Yet," and have not read it, so cannot comment, other than I like the art.) Of these few, I like Silvestri's art when it comes to facial expression and upper body definition, but his command of human anatomy falls short with the lower limbs -- legs below the knees and feet just look stunted, deformed, and flat...maybe that's his idea of perspective, but the man cannot draw feet at all, at least not in these issues. Yu's art reminds me of someone else's, but I can't think who... I like it alright, and I think his handling of anatomy is better overall than Silvestri's, but I still prefer Silvestri's capture and range of facial expressions. Hama's stories are not all that intriguing, and I've mentioned the couple of these that I liked -- the Yakuza drug story and the Hunter in Darkness story are my favorites from this tiny group. From former posts inquiring about worst artists and stories, I think I know to avoid art by Semeiks and stories by Tieri. I saw the recent/upcoming cover by Kubert showing Logan with arms and claws extended on a huge bike roaring over the viewer which looks great -- you guys will know what issue/title this is -- and his artwork does look fantastic!!! Well, that's my pathetic little contribution on this thread, but this looks like one worth checking in on to see what you others have to say! |
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| DiG | May 23 2009, 02:40 PM Post #5 |
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Wow... most impressive! |
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| Congo Jack | May 24 2009, 02:13 PM Post #6 |
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Great work on the list, Gabriel.
#10. Claremont/Buscema/Sienkiewicz + Logan VS. Sabretooth = comic book heaven.
Any one written by Erik Larsen was pretty awful. Some were lucky to be salvaged by Leinil Yu artwork, but others weren't.
#31-33.
Larry Hama.
Erik Larsen was bad. Frank Tieri was bad.
Marc Silvestri.
Jeff Matsuda.
About two years after they came out in the US, through a Panini reprint comic called WOLVERINE UNLEASHED. |
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| PDA | May 26 2009, 09:07 AM Post #7 |
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I should also mention #150-153, "Blood Debt" story and art by Steve Skroce, who was the storyboard artist for "The Matrix" movie. Complex story (which ended rather abruptly, I thought) featuring Yukio, Amiko, and Silver Samurai -- great sense of movement and expression in the artwork. I've enjoyed re-reading this one. |
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| jrpbsp | May 26 2009, 09:44 AM Post #8 |
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I still don't like the fact that they rebooted this series. It did not make sense and we'd be up over 250 issues now so it might led to some more big events if they had not started the renumbering. |
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| Gabriel Zero | May 26 2009, 09:59 AM Post #9 |
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What was your favorite issue between #1 and #189? Do you wish one writer wrote all the issue? Would you be more happy if Larry Hama or Chris Claremont was the author of all of them? Do you think Wolverine would of went in a much different direction then he is now? Please tell me what you think of this series and I am interested in knowing if you like the 2003 one better. |
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| jrpbsp | May 26 2009, 10:49 AM Post #10 |
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I don't remember them all enough to pick a favorite issue. I know which issue I ended up wanting the most and that was 125 with the return of the admantium (finally!) and the revert to more of the status quo. I also know which issue annoyed me the most. 100. Only comic I had to buy twice because I destroyed my first issue by throwing it across the room and then kicking it several times. All and all though I don't consider them separate series so don't really rate them differently. Both have good arc and bad ones. |
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