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| Topic Started: May 16 2009, 01:44 PM (1,468 Views) | |
| PDA | May 16 2009, 01:44 PM Post #1 |
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With apologies at the onset to those who are tee-totalers or are insulted by any mention of alcohol or drug use... Logan drinks - a lot - and has more than enough reasons in his horror of an existence to find solace in the bottle. Depending on who's writing him and how they're interpreting his healing factor, he can drink prodigious amounts and either not be affected or just have a slight buzz. Or he can be staggering, falling-down, passed out drunk...with little or no hangover later. Or he can achieve drunkeness briefly before his healing factor kicks in and returns him to stone-cold sobriety. Either way, drinking, while usually a pleasant pasttime, rarely gives him the relief and escape from his pain whenever he binges...providing even further tragedy for this tragic character. I rather like the idea that he can get drunk for short periods of time only after he has taken on enough to kill most any other mortal or mutant. What do you long-time Logan fans feel about this issue? Same issues with his use of drugs -- while he's been depicted as a pill user from time to time, I have a hard time imaginging him shooting heroin or anything involving needles, considering his history. What would it take, though, for him to achieve a "high?" Would he be masochistic or suicidal enough to attempt drug overdose, just to see how far he could go? Testing his healing factor by flirting with death for kicks? Mind-implants and memory-wipes aside, Logan could certainly do things, heinous or beneficent, while drunk or high and wouldn't neccessarily remember later what he did...like any other drunk. What about an under-the-influence Logan -- nothing to do with his faulty memory-- just simply part of a drunken incident? What thoughts do you forum participants have regarding that? Are there any stories in the comics where he either did something horrible or something kind, and didn't recall it later simply because he was drunk? Does his drinking lessen the character for you? As his healing factor includes dealing with poisons and since alcohol is a poison, I guess this topic is an adjunct to the "healing factor" discussion. Although the issue of his drinking would seem to warrant its own topic. I'm interested in your opinions. |
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| Ace | May 16 2009, 01:59 PM Post #2 |
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I think it's an envious quality. Imagine being able to drink as much as you like in any given situation and never fearing about the long term consequences to your health, your mental state, or your addiction centers. Whenever I drink, I have to keep an eye on how much I'm drinking at the time, and how much I've been drinking in total over the weeks/months. The answer is usually "not very much", but that's because I go out of my way to make a conscious effort to make sure I don't go too far. Logan would never have that problem. Addiction is a health issue, so it's likely impossible for him to worry about such a thing. Spinning out of that, I think we've all wondered at one time or another what it would be like to do something like heroine. I have no interest in such a thing, nor have I or will I ever attempt it, but in the back of your mind at some point you wonder "What would that be like?". Most will never go further than that thought, because they're afraid of becoming an addict, or, you know... dying. Logan wouldn't have that problem. He could do coke, heroine, speed, ecstasy, and whatever else you can think of all at once. With no worry about becoming a strung out burnout or fear of death. If we lived in a world where one could do such things with literally no mental or health ramifications, then none of those things would be considered illicit. Of course we'll never actually see Wolverine attempt such things, he's not even allowed to smoke cigars anymore, after all. But if he did, he could logically experience the best parts of being a drug user, the parts people give up their lives for... with zero consequences. An interesting thought, to say the least. Edited by Ace, May 16 2009, 02:02 PM.
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| Gorvar | May 16 2009, 02:22 PM Post #3 |
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I think Wolverine drinking is pretty much in his charecutre like him smoking a cigar earlier in the comics. It's a frm of escapsim indeed, gets his mind of things for a small while. I think it fits the post vietnam anti hero mentality very well, former soldiers trying to drink the memories away for what they did or saw back there. Drugs on the other hand i dont know for sure, i allways thought Logan had his highs the old fashioned way, with a woman. |
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| Templedog | May 16 2009, 02:54 PM Post #4 |
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yeah, I remember that issue where the X-Men encountered the villian, Horde, and Wolvie was drunk for most of the issue, because he had just come home from celebrating the anniverary of his almost wedding. Just imagine the sheer volume of alcohol he had to consume to get as falling down drunk as he first appeared in that issue. I agree that in some ways it quality many would like to have. In Wisconsin, where I live drinking is part of the culture around here. A person is often judged by how much alcohol they can consume. I have been to parties of about 30 or so people where 4 or 5 half barrel kegs of beer are the standard. I have been to a wedding where they had an "open bar" and the bar bill alone came to over $10,000. In my younger days I have drank so much that I have been hung over for 3 days afterwards, which was not very smart in retrospect. I think that it would be fun to have a healing factor so that I would never get a hang-over. But if you think about it if a person had to drink huge amounts of alcohol just to get drunk every single time wouldn't it get boring? I know the drinking scene got a old for me around age 30, because it just was not fun anymore. |
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| Ace | May 16 2009, 03:05 PM Post #5 |
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At the very least it would be incredibly expensive and time consuming. |
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| Templedog | May 16 2009, 03:47 PM Post #6 |
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very very true |
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| Gorvar | May 16 2009, 03:53 PM Post #7 |
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Or you can be like sabretooth, kill the entire pub, drink everything and move to the other pub across the state. |
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| Templedog | May 16 2009, 04:08 PM Post #8 |
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i wonder if he tips the bar-tender? |
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| Gorvar | May 16 2009, 04:16 PM Post #9 |
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i know Creed likes a lot of blood flowing around, so i'll just post this image here. Think that'll suffice for a answer? |
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| Cat | May 17 2009, 02:42 AM Post #10 |
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The only issue where Drugs, specifically are mention is Marvel Comic's Presents 72, where we see a bottle of pills along with the alcohol. (thanks to Wolverine files for this). It's never mentioned again, but it makes sense after all the crazy stuff with Team X that Logan might using anything to try and forget what happened (vaguely ironic given what happened). I think it is possible for Wolverine to become Addicted, as addictions can be mental as well as physical, so while I'm not sure if he could end up physically addicted, he could believe that he was. In terms of overdosing, I think I read somewhere that it's hinted in comics he'd tried suicide once or twice, so...it's possible. (And I am a teatotaller, and still very happy to join in the debate). |
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