ITSU - Mother of Daken and Wife of Logan

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ITSU - Mother of Daken and Wife of Logan; Logan's first Japanese Love.
Topic Started: May 10 2009, 08:44 PM (2,734 Views)
Ace	Jun 2 2009, 09:41 AM Post #31
Samurai Posts: 1,092 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: March 10, 2009	PDA Jun 2 2009, 09:24 AM Sorry if I sound too strident on the subject of Itsu, but I cannot accept her as a "greatest love," and not just because she's so obviously a flat, hackneyed plot device. One of the very few times we see her, she rejects Logan without a word after his "disgrace" at the ceremony, turning her back on him like the rest of the villagers. The look on her face is one of disgust and disappointment with Logan. She cannot even look him in the eyes, she is so shamed by him. Some "great love." And that is our last view of her before she's killed. Harumph... ********* Anyway, here's another thought on Itsu -- sort of in another direction -- just throwing this out for speculation, just a thought (however crazy!). Way has already "reinterpreted" some events and people in Logan's past -- showing erstwhile allies like Seraph to be in league with Romulus, aiding in Logan's manipulation. Suppose Way "reinterprets" Mariko's status in Logan's past, showing her to be less than noble, too. If this were to develop and Mariko's role is subverted, would a simultaneous storyline by Way then flesh out and even elevate Itsu's role? In other words, might Way cheapen Mariko to build up own creation, Itsu? I know Way still has a long way to go with his "Origins" storylines, and he may yet give more thought and characterization to Itsu, but I still feel that he's done with her, and the little we've seen is all there really is to her. When I stated that some day we might view Itsu as one of Logan's greatest loves, it was in the context of the passage of time. Silverfox is no less underdeveloped. She was a one trick pony and no less plot devicey and hackneyed than Itsu. And actually her storyline has been retconned so many times that it has been disgraced to the point of confusion and fury. But with time the rose colored glasses of nostalgia blind us the the original nature of the storyline, and we start to mellow. Silverfox was exactly the same scenario as Itsu. A one-off character who was introduced to die and fuel Logan's rage towards Sabretooth. Itsu is a one-off character who was introduced to die and fuel Logan's rage towards Romulus (and Daken's rage towards his father and Romulus). My point being that time heals all wounds and some day we'll see a new random plot device lover of Logan's as a terrible plot device. And we'll look back on Itsu and say "Remember when he had great characters like Itsu, Silverfox, and Mariko?". This is a cycle. It happens ever time, every decade. Edited by Ace, Jun 2 2009, 09:43 AM.



Gabriel Zero	Jun 2 2009, 09:54 AM Post #32
Administrator Posts: 2,835 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: January 24, 2009	Thanks for pretty much posting my opinion Ace. When I said undying love I didn't mean Logan could never love another woman. I was referring to the "Original Sin" moment when Logan burned Itsu's memory into him mind. Obviously I should of chose my wording better, but at least acknowledge my opening statement was brief enough to interrupt several different ways. And if you post about "undying love" again PDA, please don't direct it at me since that wasn't my intention for this conversation.



jrpbsp	Jun 2 2009, 10:03 AM Post #33
Undisputed Ruler of Comicdom Posts: 3,827 Group: Global Moderators Member #62 Joined: April 2, 2009	While it is possible that she will eventually become a great love to most people, i can't see it happening for me personally. This is all purely hypothetical so it is hard to see but there is nothing in that story I like myself.



PDA	Jun 2 2009, 01:10 PM Post #34
Secret Agent Posts: 550 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: January 31, 2009	Ace, I understand what you're saying about time, nostalgia, and rose-colored glasses. I'm just saying Itsu is not even a "good" character, much less a "great" character in the class of Silverfox or certainly not Mariko. Not without some further development..... Gabriel Zero, I don't mean to direct posts about "undying love" and "Itsu" to you (I hope you've not been taking my opinions personally), because you have stated a fondness for the character. I do not mean to denigrate your opinion with these posts, and apologize to you. jrpbsp, that was my thought - since Way has a track record in his series of twisting past events and people in Logan's life into something less than honorable, the thought just hit me - why wouldn't he do the same to Mariko? Particularly to make something greater out of Itsu? I just cannot like Itsu at all as she is with the little I've seen of her. Edited by PDA, Jun 4 2009, 01:17 PM.



PDA	Jun 2 2009, 02:10 PM Post #35
Secret Agent Posts: 550 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: January 31, 2009	patora Jun 1 2009, 07:00 PM creaky May 30 2009, 05:52 PM I seem to recall Logan reminiscing about making love to Mariko at one point. I'm still trying to figure out where I read it, though. I think it was a one-shot or mini of some kind. Maybe it was in first issue of the "Enemy of the state" arc, where Logan has some sort of inner monologue that starts with "I hate Japan, it's so beautiful ..." and somewhere in the middle or at the end there is a "making love in the mountains" or something like that. There is no mention to Mariko nor to Itsu, but I think it was before House of M and Logan hasn't recover his memories yet, so this mention should address Mariko. Patora is correct...this bit in "Enemy of the State" is prior to "House of M," and that statement about "making love in the mountains" should probably apply to Mariko ... definitely not Itsu, because he doesn't remember her yet.



Gorvar	Jun 3 2009, 03:17 AM Post #36
Self claimed fanfic critic. Posts: 4,043 Group: Members Member #38 Joined: February 8, 2009	Yup, but thing is, how can he remember Rose beofre House of M then?



jrpbsp	Jun 3 2009, 09:44 AM Post #37
Undisputed Ruler of Comicdom Posts: 3,827 Group: Global Moderators Member #62 Joined: April 2, 2009	He doesn't. She appears to him if I recall correctly but Wolverine does not know who she is.



Gorvar	Jun 3 2009, 03:51 PM Post #38
Self claimed fanfic critic. Posts: 4,043 Group: Members Member #38 Joined: February 8, 2009	He did call out her names though. I think it was in 'dreams'.



jrpbsp	Jun 4 2009, 10:49 AM Post #39
Undisputed Ruler of Comicdom Posts: 3,827 Group: Global Moderators Member #62 Joined: April 2, 2009	Well once it was revealed in Origins you could also say he knew her in his subconscious or whatever. But I doubt he had any sort of real memory of her before House of M. Even in Origins it talked about his ability to heal his brain and forget tragedy.



Gorvar	Jun 5 2009, 02:54 AM Post #40
Self claimed fanfic critic. Posts: 4,043 Group: Members Member #38 Joined: February 8, 2009	Makes sense to me.



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