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| Topic Started: Mar 18 2009, 09:37 AM (1,081 Views) | |
| Congo Jack | Mar 18 2009, 09:37 AM Post #1 |
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When was Wolverine's missing memories first highlighted, and who came up with the concept?
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 18 2009, 10:34 AM Post #2 |
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In volume two was it the main focus of the series around issue 50? I think it was a combination of Larry Hama and Barry Windsor Smith. Smith came up with the concept that he was from Weapon X, then Hama dedicated the series to making it a more interesting concept. At least that is how I feel about it. |
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| Congo Jack | Mar 18 2009, 01:26 PM Post #3 |
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Right, I was thinking it first came to prominence circa WOLVERINE #34 with Doolin and explored more fully in Dreams of Gore. But whenever HEROES FOR HOPE was brought up on this forum I decided to read it again because dammit Harlan Ellison, Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz are one hell of a team. And... when 'Wolverine' faces 'Logan in HFH, he tells him: "I can tell you the secret. I can fill in all the empty memories." That comic preceded both Weapon X and Hama's pseudo-sequel. I have a feeling that when someone posts the answer it's going to be an "Oh, I can't believe I forgot that" moment but for the moment I'm completely stumped. |
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| Congo Jack | Mar 21 2009, 07:10 AM Post #4 |
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I'm going to do something I don't particularly like doing, but I didn't see it in the Etiquette thread so hopefully it isn't too frowned on. I only really look at the 'Active Topics' and many are probably the same and I'd really like this answered...so.... BUMP! or possibly BUMPOLA! Ugh. |
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 21 2009, 08:58 AM Post #5 |
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Yeah it's ok to bump, sorry I didn't see this topic and do it for you. With so many hot topics all over the forum, I think bumping is necessary and essential from keeping great topics from floating to the bottom of the forum. Thanks for doing this, I'm thinking about doing that on occasion with the chronological thread. I have two questions that might attract other responses from the members.
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| Congo Jack | Mar 21 2009, 07:33 PM Post #6 |
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Thanks for the response, GZ. I must not have made my question clear enough, hopefully the following clears this up.
HEROES FOR HOPE was a comic project produced by Marvel with proceeds going to famine relief. It had guys like Ellison, Alan Moore, Stephen King and more creative luminaries each contributing to the story.
That's what I'm asking - half of me was was thinking that it's something CC came up with and the other half Larry Hama, but with HFH predating Hama that's out. Claremont was an editor on HEROES FOR HOPE so if the memory thing didn't jive with him it probably would have been changed.
Not suggesting anything.
Therein lies the crux of my question. I just want to know when it becomes clear that Logan's memory isn't all that, or even when it's first hinted at. And I know if someone gives the correct answer it's going to be an "I can't believe I forgot that". |
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 22 2009, 09:31 AM Post #7 |
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Well it would be safe to say that it happened after the Inferno story arc, since Logan was acting like he knew his past in those story lines. He didn't question all the things Creed said and alluded at. It could almost be assumed that Logan always remembered Creed, of course this was before Marvel knew what they were doing with Wolverine. And it will have to be waaaaay before the X-Cutioner's Song story arc, since that is way after Larry Hama took over. Do you remember how Logan acted in the Days of Future Present arc? or the X-Tinction Agenda?
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| DiG | Mar 22 2009, 12:14 PM Post #8 |
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This is a terrific question... and one that I have been slowly researching by skimming my stacks of Wolverine comics. Please feel free to add more appropriate appearances with cover dates. As mentioned earlier, the Heroes for Hope section written by Harlan Ellison (with input, undoubtedly by Frank Miller) first plants the seeds that Logan does not remember his entire past - Dec. 1985. The next reference I've seen is from 'Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown' (by Walter & Louise Simonson) where Logan admits he doesn't know who his mother was - 1988 In 1991, Marvel Comics Presents has three stories that delve into Logan's faulty memories: #72-84: Weapon X by Barry Windsor-Smith where Logan doesn't remember who is mother was before the mind-altering experiments of Weapon X (early 1991) #85-92: Peter David's Wolverine/Cyber story where Wolverine does not remember his past (mid 1991) #93-98: Timothy Truman's story where Logan does not believe his memories of working for the Hudson Bay Company (late 1991) The 'Blood and Claws' time-traveling story from Wolverine #35-37 by Larry Hama further suggests that Logan might not remember his entire past - Jan through Mar 1991 Wolverine #41-46 by Larry Hama: Logan and Sabretooth inexplicably start (mis)remembering back to the days of Silver Fox and the possibility that Sabretooth is Logan's father. Early Jul through late Sep 1991 Wolverine #48-50 by Larry Hama: For the first time, Wolverine clearly does not remember his past - Nov 1991 through Jan 1992. X-Men #4-7 by Jim Lee: Wolverine explicitly doesn't remember his days during Team X: - Jan through Apr 1992. So it seems to me that in the wake of Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X story, Marvel decided that Wolverine did not have all of his memories, a concept delved into almost simultaneously by Larry Hama, Peter David, Tim Truman and Jim Lee. |
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| Congo Jack | Mar 22 2009, 03:15 PM Post #9 |
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Oh, right. I had no idea that's when it was first mentioned. Ha! Seems I was off with my prediction. Thanks for the great answer. I'd like to raise a of point that may or may not be of interest:
In 'Weapon X', Logan says "As if I knew who ma was...". Just the phrasing of that suggests to me he never knew who she was, not that he forgot who she was. Granted that's just what I took from that and there may have been another reference in there that I've simply forgotten that shows differently. |
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| Gabriel Zero | May 30 2009, 02:53 PM Post #10 |
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bump bump bump maybe someone else can help now. |
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