DiG

Mar 18 2009, 09:04 PM

Well, it doesn't solve everything, I admit, but it keeps me sane and that's the important thing.

As for Captain Ameriac, if the Cap from the 1950s wasn't the real Captain America, so be it. Unless I've missed a key point, it doesn't matter why he wasn't the real Captain America. The real Cap disappeared in 1945 (or 1944) and reappeared when the Sub-Mariner found him. The 1950s Captain America had to be someone else.

But as I noted, the 1968 reference was an outlier for me. But for the most part it works. As long as you don't look too close.

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Ah yes, but how can it explain the 60s and 70s Cap? How could the 60s and 70s Caps have existed if the 60s and 70s had yet to happen when the original timeline started? It's a mind boggling contradiction.

Your perspective certainly is an interesting one, I shall give you that, good sir. And here's to another fantastic discussion!

DiG

Mar 18 2009, 09:28 PM

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Ah yes, but how can it explain the 60s and 70s Cap? How could the 60s and 70s Caps have existed if the 60s and 70s had yet to happen when the original timeline started? It's a mind boggling contradiction.

Your perspective certainly is an interesting one, I shall give you that, good sir. And here's to another fantastic discussion!

The true condensation of time did not start until the late 1960s. It is gradual at first, and picks up steam as time goes along. So in 1985, the Marvel Universe had 24 years condensed into eight years, and the condensing increases as time moves along.

Or did I miss something where the 60s and 70s Cap is different from the Cap who recently died?

DiG

Mar 18 2009, 09:28 PM

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Ah yes, but how can it explain the 60s and 70s Cap? How could the 60s and 70s Caps have existed if the 60s and 70s had yet to happen when the original timeline started? It's a mind boggling contradiction.

Your perspective certainly is an interesting one, I shall give you that, good sir. And here's to another fantastic discussion!

The true condensation of time did not start until the late 1960s. It is gradual at first, and picks up steam as time goes along. So in 1985, the Marvel Universe had 24 years condensed into eight years, and the condensing increases as time moves along.

Or did I miss something where the 60s and 70s Cap is different from the Cap who recently died?

Brian Knippenberg

Mar 18 2009, 09:44 PM

DiG

Mar 18 2009, 09:28 PM

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Ah yes, but how can it explain the 60s and 70s Cap? How could the 60s and 70s Caps have existed if the 60s and 70s had yet to happen when the original timeline started? It's a mind boggling contradiction.

Your perspective certainly is an interesting one, I shall give you that, good sir. And here's to another fantastic discussion!

The true condensation of time did not start until the late 1960s. It is gradual at first, and picks up steam as time goes along. So in 1985, the Marvel Universe had 24 years condensed into eight years, and the condensing increases as time moves along.

Or did I miss something where the 60s and 70s Cap is different from the Cap who recently died?

60's and 70's Cap was still Steve Rogers, with exceptions to some very brief replacements when he first became disillusioned and became the original Nomad, and of course in the late-80's by John Walker for a little while, when Rogers became The Captain.

Ace

Mar 18 2009, 09:51 PM

Brian Knippenberg

Mar 18 2009, 09:44 PM

DiG

Mar 18 2009, 09:28 PM

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Ah yes, but how can it explain the 60s and 70s Cap? How could the 60s and 70s Caps have existed if the 60s and 70s had yet to happen when the original timeline started? It's a mind boggling contradiction.

Your perspective certainly is an interesting one, I shall give you that, good sir. And here's to another fantastic discussion!

The true condensation of time did not start until the late 1960s. It is gradual at first, and picks up steam as time goes along. So in 1985, the Marvel Universe had 24 years condensed into eight years, and the condensing increases as time moves along.

Or did I miss something where the 60s and 70s Cap is different from the Cap who recently died?

60's and 70's Cap was still Steve Rogers, with exceptions to some very brief replacements when he first became disillusioned and became the original Nomad, and of course in the late-80's by John Walker for a little while, when Rogers became The Captain.

No no, not 60s Cap as in "the books that Marvel published in the 60s", such as Avengers, X-Men, etc. I'm referring to the retcon Captain Americas that the writers developed in the mid to late 70s when they realized "If Captain America has only been unfrozen for a few years... how do we explain away his pre-Avengers adventures in the 1950s and 60s?".

These Captain Americas couldn't have existed in the original timeline as not enough time had yet passed. They needed the 30 years gap before they could write them into the history.

Brian Knippenberg

Mar 18 2009, 10:04 PM

DiG was wondering if the same Captain America (published in the 60's and 70's) was the same person as the Captain America who recently died, and it is....Steve Rogers.
But I was also pointing out that in the 70's era comics, there were 3 more extremely brief replacements for him...Bob Russo, who lasted a day after breaking his arm while trying to foil a bank robbery..."Scar" Turpin, who was beaten and left for dead while trying to stop a mugging, and Roscoe, who got as far as teaming up with the Falcon and foiling a bank robbery, but was killed by the Red Skull when he found out that he wasn't Steve Rogers.

DiG

Mar 18 2009, 10:18 PM

Ace, I understand what you are saying now. The retconning moved the start of the Marvel Universe to after 1961, hence the need for the other Captain America.

I was always under the impression that the replacement Captain Americas were to account for the Captain America appearances in comics from the 1950s, especially since Cap was frozen during the 1950s.

I think any theory is going to have problems, and mine is no different. But because I read every issue of Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four as a kid (in reprints... I'm that THAT old), they had to take place in the 1960s for me.

So yes, there will always be a few outliers. Or perhaps a lot of outliers. But this theory keeps ME sane. YOUR mileage may vary.

But for me, I can't really wrap my head around the FF starting in 1997. I mean, had been reading comics for 20 years at that point!