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| Topic Started: Mar 17 2009, 03:37 PM (1,291 Views) | |
| Ace | Mar 17 2009, 03:37 PM Post #1 |
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Though I'm not entirely sure if this is the place for it, I have a few suggestions for the site and forum in mind. 1) The Ultimate Wolverine section seems a bit sparse, and with the elimination of the Ultimate X-Men series we can assume that that's only going to increase. Might I suggest turning it into an "Alternate version of Wolverine" section? All such topics could be posted there, and the elimination of a forum just for a version of the character who's likely to get fewer stories/topics in the coming years would reduce section redundancy. 2) While we were discussing the so-called "Carol Danvers (Not-So) paradox" I thought to myself that in order to accurately represent Wolverine's history/chronology for the readers, fans, and for posterity's sake... it might be a good idea to include other canonical Marvel details of note. That would help more accurately gauge when the chronology could have occurred in relation to other parts of Marvel history. You could include (presumably in a different colored font) specific details of the Marvel 616 history that are set in stone. For example, the date Captain America and Bucky were lost during World War II. It's an event that stays static in the Marvel universe chronology (IE doesn't move with the timescale) and has a profound effect in relation to Wolverine (as Cap and Bucky are characters he'd had many interactions with). By putting such important set Marvel continuity points into the article it would be easier to factor Wolverine's chronology into the broader 616 canon, and it would also make sure future fans wouldn't run into issues such as the aforementioned paradox situation. After all, Wolverine is not an island of continuity, his history is codependent in regards to the broader Marvel universe. 3) This final bit isn't so much a suggestion as an observation. Untold Tales of Spider-Man #-1 is currently in section 010: Landau, Luckman and Lake (and Jasmine Falls). Given the nature of the storyline, it is a chronological impossibility for it to take place in that time period. The story stars Peter Parker's parents, agents of SHIELD sent to recover Logan (I believe called Agent 10 in the story). It ends with the revelation that Mary Parker is pregnant with an unborn Peter Parker. In current Marvel continuity Peter is between the age of 26 and 28 (it depends at what age young Peter graduated at, and how many years he's been active as Spider-Man. He either gained his powers at 15 and graduated early at 16. Which isn't impossible, as he is a certified genius. Or he gained his powers at 15 and continued on as Spider-Man in the period until he graduated at the regular age. He also recently went to his 10 year high school reunion, and about a year and a half has passed in-continuity since that point. For the record, there are three core ways to measure the passing of time in the Marvel universe. Peter Parker's age. The Fantastic Four's date of origin (12 - 13 years have passed since they became the Fantastic Four according to the books, and that fits with them being active for a year or two before most other superheroes). And finally Aunt May's age; she was originally stated to be in her 60s, now they say she's in her 70s. All of the above is in keeping with a little over a decade passing in Marvel time. Keeping all of this information in mind, namely the fact that Peter Parker is under 30, yet his mother was pregnant with him in the story she met Logan... that means it had to have occurred less than 30 years ago in Marvel time. Given the current sliding timescale, that puts Untold Tales of Spider-Man #-1 during late 70s or early 80s. |
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 18 2009, 05:05 AM Post #2 |
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We still need a place to post Fantastic Force and the dreaded Marvel Adventures. So this sounds like a good place to do that. I'll wait for DiG to response since I know we have a million and one dedicated forums to Wolverine anyways. Some of them with a mixed and matched purpose.
Agreed. His Healing Factor is proof enough of that.
Wow. What a powerful observation. Thanks for looking that up. Don't forget to help us with organizing his present appearances when you have a free moment. Link: http://forums.wolverinefiles.com/topic/1170115/1/ Even if you open up a new thread and just give us your take on how he bounces back and forth from X-Force to the New Avengers. |
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| Ace | Mar 18 2009, 08:18 AM Post #3 |
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I've been intending to, actually. Though I need a bit of help on your end. I need a jumping on point. Name an issue and I'll be glad to start from there. |
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 18 2009, 08:29 AM Post #4 |
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Actually. Let's start small before we include less recent stuff. How does New Avengers / House of M sound? You can throw Secret War / Enemy of the State if you are feeling generous. So I am guessing New Avengers issue one would be the starting point, since that was when Logan's appearances started getting crazy for me. |
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| Ace | Mar 18 2009, 02:42 PM Post #5 |
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I shall consult my previous findings before beginning. |
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| Brian Knippenberg | Mar 18 2009, 02:51 PM Post #6 |
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Perhaps Jason Aaron can shed some light on it... WOLVERINE #73 & #74 Written by JASON AARON & DANIEL WAY Penciled by ADAM KUBERT & TOMMY LEE EDWARDS Covers by ADAM KUBERT & TOMMY LEE EDWARDS Wolverine #73 70th Anniversary Variant Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC TWO STORIES over TWO ISSUES! Each tale begins in WOLVERINE #73 and concludes in #74...as the WOLVERINE comic book makes a change you won’t believe... “A DAY IN THE LIFE” PARTS 1 AND 2 Superstar WOLVERINE artist ADAM KUBERT returns, joined by superstar WOLVERINE writer JASON AARON! Experience a day in the life for America’s favorite mutant—a day packed with action, women, villains, costume changes and beer. Ever wonder why Logan keeps himself so busy these days? The answer lies within. “ONE PERCENTER” PARTS 1 AND 2 Meanwhile, WOLVERINE: ORIGINS writer DANIEL WAY is joined by MARVEL 1985’s TOMMY LEE EDWARDS in a prelude to DARK WOLVERINE! Logan wants to get the hell out of New York, and he’s in no hurry to get back to San Francisco, either. So he gets on a motorcycle and takes the long way home. But home for Logan isn’t in a secret underground headquarters—it’s in a fight, with his hands wrapped around the neck of somebody who’s got it coming. 32 PGS.(each)/Parental Advisory ...$2.99(each) Edited by Brian Knippenberg, Mar 18 2009, 02:53 PM.
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 18 2009, 03:15 PM Post #7 |
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Yeah. I noticed that too. You think that it's going to be the main focus of the issue? It sure sounds promising. 
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| DiG | Mar 18 2009, 03:50 PM Post #8 |
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Changing Ultimate Wolverine to Alternate Wolverine makes a lot of sense to me. As for your Spider-Man conjecture...
I don't disagree per se, I have simply accepted over the years that Marvel Time and hard and fast dates are no longer compatible so we are always going to run into these inconsistencies. My original timeline was based on the Fantastic Four be founded in 1961, hence that was the year that Logan was 'discovered' naked by the Hudsons. Since then, I have had to amend and shift things around. The Cold War of the 1950s began to blend with the Cold War of 1960s. So my approach now is to block off eras of Wolverine's past and place, as best I can, events into those eras. All that said, it is never explicitly stated (other than the cover) that the Parkers are agents of SHIELD. It is actually suggested they are agents of the CIA. |
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| Ace | Mar 18 2009, 04:05 PM Post #9 |
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Well, SHIELD or CIA, it doesn't really matter. The point was that if the story took place in in 1948, then that means Peter Parker is 60 years old. I actually understood what you were going for in choosing that date. You were working within the parameters of the original dates, rather than moving with the timescale. Unfortunately you run into far more inconsistencies by trying to run against the grain of the timescale than you do if you work with it. For example, how could Logan have had an adventure in the 1970s before his fellow X-Men were born if they had been around since the 1960s? How could any of his modern adventures with Spider-Man have happened if he's 60+ years old? By working against the timescale you work against all modern adventures and revelations. As the timescale moves forward writers have the task of coming up with new explanations for what Logan was doing during the 70s, 80s, and 90s (etc) since the X-Men were only established a decade ago in current Marvel continuity. In current Marvel continuity they would have been founded in the late 90s. Which means any Wolverine writing that gives him an adventure in a recent decade is directly contradicting your chronology and it would require massive re-writes. It's far easier to roll with the timescale than it is to go against the grain with the original dates. ... On another note, in regards to hard dates in the Marvel universe. There are actually a number of static events. Not every part of the Marvel universe moves with the timescale. Writers often write whole new stories to explain away inconsistencies. Two such examples would be that they created multiple Captain Americas and Red Skulls to explain how Cap was active in the 1950s, 60s, etc. And the multiple Red Skulls go hand and hand in that, but were also used to explain away how Peter Parker's parents died. Since the timescale no longer permitted them to have existed in the 40s. Those retcons would directly contradict the chronology as it stands, as will any future ones. |
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| Gabriel Zero | Mar 18 2009, 04:46 PM Post #10 |
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So Fantastic Force would appear in the "Alternate Wolverine" forum right? |
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