| Thumbs DOWN for 'Wolverine: Origins'; For those of us wh are not impressed... | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 27 2009, 11:24 AM (1,821 Views) | |
| Templedog | Feb 12 2009, 07:41 PM Post #11 |
X-Men Chronologist
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Yes, please let this series end soon so the huge ret-conns will stop. |
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| noteconomicallyviable | Feb 20 2009, 10:23 AM Post #12 |
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I liked moments of this series but they were crushed by the majority of badness. I don't mind the art, I guess I got used to it, but Daken is a horrible character. And when they revealed his origin story it was a struggle to reach the end because of how uninteresting it was. He already seemed cheesy and gimmicky but tack on a bland history and I'm hoping he gets explained away as a clone and killed off. But he won't. And maybe they've explained this but how does he have tattoos? I also dislike how terrible Logan is in the flashbacks. I get he was a bad person but there's too much of it. The entire series seems devoted to showing us he did bad things all the time for mysterious behind-the-scenes operators. A couple of times.. okay. But to have EVERYthing in his past like this is dull and makes the character one dimensional for a good 30 of his life. There's also too much interconnection (like the story with Bucky). Oh and speaking of interconnection, I hate (yes h-a-t-e) Rommulus. I don't even care if I'm spelling his name right or not. I stopped reading the series for a bit, came back, and then finally just dropped it during the 5 issue fight with Deadpool where nothing happened. Good idea for a series, bad execution. But some cool Quesada covers.. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 31 2009, 07:40 PM Post #13 |
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Let's start from the beginning. ~ The Muramasa Blade sucks. A magical sword is just what Wolverine needed. ~ Bucky sucks. Always has. Always will. It is impossible to make him cool. ~ Frank "Nuke" Simpson sucks and so does his lame-ass origin. ~ Itsu. Another dead chick. Seen that. ~ Silver Fox was killed by Sabretooth. I get it. I don't even care about this dead broad anymore. ~ Why is Omega Red still looking for the Carbonadium Synthesizer? Is there something wrong with his Carbonadium? Does he need more? There's no other option after all these years? No one can make Carbonadium without this stupid device? It takes a nuclear reactor to melt down Adamantium, but the C-Synth fits in your pocket. Isn't the Carbonadium supposed to be like, killing him, or something? Shouldn't he be long dead by now? The stuff killed Cyber in, like, 15 issues. Red seems fine. ~ Logan trained Natalia "Black Widow" Romanova. Well, that explains everything that no one ever cared about. ~ I can't believe I paid $70 for the Issue #10 "3rd Claw" variant. It looked so cool at the time. I should've just shoplifted it. Those butt-wipes. I hope this economy destroys them. ~ Cyber's back! But his heart sucks. So does his pacemaker. ~ Seraph wasn't the old, hard-driven positive influence in Logan's life, she was just some bar room floozy that Logan was hittin' from time to time. ~ Logan was in cahoots with Baron Zemo. Yeah... Zemo. That guy with a stocking cap stuck to his face. ~ Captain America looked just as out of place on a battlefield as he did anywhere else. And Bucky was in his underwear. How could you take that spectacle seriously in a combat situation? ~ Nick Fury was around. Surprise. ~ Wolverine hatches a plan to save his son. 1) shoot him in the head with a radioactive bullet, using the same guy that killed his mother. 2) hide in a cave full of old crippled mutants, then kill them. 3) hitchhike into San Francisco and hide in a grocery store. "You can poop in this bucket". 4) fail. ~ Fight the Hellfire Club for no other reason than to piss off Xavier (who can walk again, until he can't again). ~ Wolverine was supposed to assassinate Xavier, but Xavier asked him not to, so he didn't. ~ Although none of the most powerful psychics on earth could help Logan, Xavier frees Daken in, like, 5 minutes. ~ Daken knows the truth! Nothing changes, though. ~ Turns out, Cyber never had a Healing-Factor. That makes alot of sense. ~ Cyber's back! No, wait... he's dead again. And now, the meat and potatoes... DAKEN SUCKS A$$! ~ So does his hair. His mullet-mohawk, or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, isn't a hairstyle. Like Joe Dirt's white trash sideburns, it just grows that way. ~ 1995 called, they want their tribal tattoo back. ~ One of his claws is backwards. And I thought X23's toe claw was stupid... as well as X23. ~ Put on a shirt, man. ~ You can affect people's emotions. Really? Well, that's kinda... stupid. ~ Aren't you supposed to look at least a little Oriental? Just a little? ~ It's called "Identity Theft". If'n you want to steal a passport, you don't have to make out with some dude. Nice "plan". ~ Your bald headed girlfriend was pretty cute, too. (snicker) ~ Why go through all the trouble of bonding your claws with Muramasa steel? Marvel has no plans for you to kill anyone significant with them. The only thing that sucks more than Daken... is ROMULUS! ~ The Lupine suck. ~ your conspiracy sucks. ~ You were behind Weapon X? Not Apocalypse? You? Who cares? Man, even Logan is bored with hearing about Weapon X these days. "Now you have Adamantium claws and an unbreakable skeleton. THE END." ~ At least Daken wears pants. ~ Your underbite sucks. ~ In issue #37, Wolverine fans can finally collectively say... "oh." And the worst part? We're only halfway through this train wreck. |
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| Brian Knippenberg | Mar 31 2009, 08:43 PM Post #14 |
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You're entitled to your opinion of not liking Wolverine: Origins (although I was hoping to read more from your post than just how much this and that "sucks"), but I wanted to ask...who are the "butt-wipes" that you hope the "economy" destroys? The retail shop where you laid down your own $70 for a cover variant or Marvel themselves? Edited by Brian Knippenberg, Mar 31 2009, 08:44 PM.
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| Gorvar | Apr 1 2009, 06:21 AM Post #15 |
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i only have issue 37 and i liked it. Personaly i think Daken is a intresting charecture and hope to see more of him. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2009, 04:55 PM Post #16 |
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To Brian, I live in a simple world my friend... Things that are cool, or things that suck. There are two comic shops I frequent. There is a small, family owned shop in downtown Atlanta that is cool. You can browse, you can read, and the staff is pretty knowledgeable about comics. There is another shop in the suburbs that sucks. No reading, the staff doesn't know dirt about anything, and they are expensive. But they have A LOT of stuff. They probably have whatever you are looking for. I used to shoplift "FAUST" comic books from them when I was a kid because they refused to sell them to me. If they were to die off in this economy, all the better for the other store. "Shoplifting is a victimless crime... Like punching someone in the dark." Nelson Muntz For what it's worth, I posted more elaborate opinions in the "Thumbs Up" thread. |
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| Brian Knippenberg | Apr 1 2009, 09:25 PM Post #17 |
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So, what you're saying is that you hope that the store goes out of business because they either sell things that are too expensive or are too responsible to sell something like "Faust" to someone who, at the time, was probably underage, which led you to steal from them anyway? Ratings Scale Cool Suck X Edited by Brian Knippenberg, Apr 1 2009, 09:26 PM.
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| jrpbsp | Apr 2 2009, 12:46 PM Post #18 |
Undisputed Ruler of Comicdom
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I loved the idea of this when it came out but have been completely underwhelmed by the stories. We know that Wolverine had a dark history but don't really need to see if hammered in that he was a totally evil person. It makes the whole character harder to relate to and root for. Plus I actively dislike Daken for a number of reasons. His look is silly, the third claw is pretty much impossible physically to pull off and honestly he's just another one dimensional killing machine. Even worse I don't like Wolverine as an actual father. He did great as a mentor to Kitty, Jubilee et all but as a parent it takes away some of his freedom and motivation. Romulus is also a bad idea in my opinion and as a concept reduces Wolverine. To be able to say that most of the bad things he did were the result of being mind tampered with and controlled for his entire life? It's a major cop out. He's supposed to be the noble warrior that knows he has the savage side and who fights every day to control it. With this retcon suddenly he can throw up his hands and say 'Well it wasn't my fault that happened.' |
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| Gabriel Zero | Apr 2 2009, 01:38 PM Post #19 |
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I'm not quoting your entire post because you are entitled to your opinion. But you did misinterpret the facts here. Logan's mind was erased by Professor X, he couldn't remember who he was because of Professor X. From that point of view there is no reason we shouldn't believe he could help Daken. This is a story from the pages of X-Men Legacy as well, so if you hate one I guess you hate the other? Just saying. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 2 2009, 04:51 PM Post #20 |
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I didn't comment negatively on the revalation that it was Xavier who had erased Logan's memory. I think that was a pretty cool twist, actually. What I thought was lame was the "rap session" that happened before the mind wipe. Logan was a professional assassin. In fact, he was the best, was he not? Assassins do their job. They assassinate their target. They can't simply be talked out of it. They can't just see the light, because their mark tells them what they are doing is wrong. All victims plead with their assassin, but it's not supposed to affect his decision. Logan knew about Xavier and his abilities. He would have been well briefed on the mental coersion that he was sure to face on this particular job. He was ordered to assassinate one of the world's most powerful psychics. He would have been told to expect head games. "No matter what happens, no matter what he says to you, you must kill him. YOU MUST KILL XAVIER" But he just sits down with Xavier, over a cup of tea, and quietly discusses the pros and cons of being a professional killer with his intended victim. It was weak, man. It was completely unrealistic. As for Daken, his conditioning was supposed to be focused primarily on intrusion by pyschics, to protect his bloodthirsty psyche from being watered down. Like Xavier had tamed his father. Nothing was being hidden from him. Nothing had been rewritten in his memory. His "trap" was aimed solely at anyone who attempted to control him other than Romulus. Daken even admits that he always knew that it was Romulus who had killed his mother. It made no sense. Nothing changed. What was the point? Cyber told Logan that Daken never had to be mentally or psychologically conditioned like his father. Daken enjoyed killing. Daken killed his own adoptive parents' infant child. They simply made him better at killing. Logan asked Xavier to erase Daken's mind, but that's not where the story led in the next issue. I didn't understand what was supposed to have been accomplished by showing Daken a faint memory of Itsu. Apparently nothing. Original Sin was a waste of time. |
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